PWG Steering Committee Minutes * 16 October 2023

Attendees

Smith Kennedy (HP Inc, PWG Vice Chair)
Jeremy Leber (Lexmark, PWG Chair)
Ira McDonald (High North, PWG Secretary, IPP WG Co-Chair)
Alan Sukert (Independent, IDS WG Chair)
Michael Sweet (Lakeside Robotics), IPP WG Secretary)
Paul Tykodi (TCS, IPP WG Co-Chair)
Bill Wagner (TIC, former Cloud WG Chair, former WIMS WG Chair)

Preface

This meeting was announced and chaired by Jeremy Leber.

These minutes were prepared by Ira McDonald with draft minutes from Jeremy Leber.

Agenda

(0) Agenda bashing, IP Policy, minute taker

- Review agenda and state PWG IP Policy
  - Ira McDonald and Jeremy Leber as minute takers

- Revised Agenda:

  (1) Administrivia
  (2) Action Item Review
  (3) PWG Hosting Organization - status (Mike/Jeremy/Smith/Ira)
  (4) PWG November F2F - status (All)
  (5) PWG Document Deprecate/Obsolete Transitions (All)
  (6) PWG Communications Challenges - status (All)
  (7) PWG 3D / IPP article development - status (All)
  (8) OpenPrinting News/GSoC - update (Ira)
  (9) PWG 3D PR Opportunities 2023 - update (Paul)
  (10) Other Liaisons - status (Smith)
  (11) Next SC meetings

(1) Administrivia
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20231009.htm

- IPR and Antitrust

- Roll Call

- Review minutes of SC meeting (9 October 2023)
  - Approved

(2) Action Item Review

ACTION: 10/09/23 - Jeremy to send out call for PWG November 2023 Plenary slides content soon
- OPEN

ACTION: 10/09/23 - Alan to post ICAM 2023 presentation slides to PWG FTP site for further review
- CLOSED

ACTION: 10/09/23 - Paul to check to see if we can get 10 minutes to speak to ACI about Safe
G-Code (PWG 5199.7-2019).
- IN PROGRESS - Paul waiting for a response

(3) PWG Hosting Organization - status (Mike/Jeremy/Smith/Ira)
https://www.icdsoft.com/
https://github.com/istopwg/website/wiki/2023-Communications-Infrastructure-Update

- Discussion
  - Mike to spend some time looking at ICDsoft to see what we can do with it and how we can make 
    use of it

  - Need to discuss how to preserve current FTP site contents (old meeting minutes, working 
    drafts, etc).

  - May be able to trim half of old content
    - How do we handle working drafts going forward? 
    - Going forward, we will need to make sure the process is feasible with Git/GitHub

  - Mailserver at ICDsoft should work (HTML archive of our old emails can be moved)

  - URLs in all our existing specifications will still work, but we won't keep adding to FTP
    - New documents go in a new place (TBD)

(4) PWG November F2F - status (All)
https://www.pwg.org/chair/meeting-info/november-2023-virtual.html

- Discussion
  - Still all good for now (just waiting for the inevitable 11th hour shift :)

  - Review PWG Plenary slides on 10/30/23 (draft) and 11/06/23 (final)

  - Action from 10/09/23 for Jeremy to send out call for PWG November 2023 Plenary slides 
    content soon

(5) PWG Document Deprecate/Obsolete Transitions (All)
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/process/pwg-document-management-policy.pdf

- Discussion
  - Live review by SC of all existing documents - candidates for transitions are:
    - 5100.4 Deprecate

    - 5100.10 Deprecate

    - 5101.3 seems to be missing? (was this an abandoned early PWG project? email archives?)

    - 5101.4 Deprecate for a year (then Obsolete)

    - 5102.1 Deprecate (need to inform Bluetooth Sig?)

    - 5102.2 Deprecate (W3C has now moved on)

    - 5102.3 Deprecate (not used, subset of standard PDF - ISO 32000 series)

    - 5104.2 Deprecate

    - 5106.2 Deprecate potentially (need to ask the IPP mailing list?)

    - 5107.1 Deprecate

    - 5107.2 Deprecate

    - 5199.1 Deprecate (though we could just leave it since it is Informational)

    - 5199.2 Deprecate (though we could just leave it since it is Informational)

(6) PWG Communications Challenges - status (All)
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- Discussion
  - All still working OK
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(7) PWG 3D / IPP article development - status (All)
https://amcoe.org/event/icam2023/
https://amcoe.org/event/forum23/

- Discussion
  - Paul sent slide edit suggestions for ICAM to Alan

  - Quick review of ICAM presentation on 10/09/23
    - May need to add some definitions of some of the lingo

  - Action from 10/09/23 for Alan to post ICAM 2023 presentation slides to PWG FTP site for 
    further review - now CLOSED

(8) OpenPrinting News/GSoC - update (Ira)
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/liaison/openprinting/minutes/OP-Minutes-20230919.htm
https://openprinting.github.io/OpenPrinting-News-September-2023/
https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups/releases/tag/v2.4.7
https://github.com/OpenPrinting/libcups/releases/v3.0b2
https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups-filters/releases/tag/1.28.17
https://github.com/michaelrsweet/pappl/releases/tag/v1.4.0
https://github.com/michaelrsweet/pdfio/releases/tag/v1.0.1
https://github.com/michaelrsweet/lprint/releases/tag/v1.2.0

- Discussion
  - See OP Monthly Steering Committee minutes link from 09/19/23 (Ira)

  - See OP Monthly news link from 10/04/23 (Till)

  - GSoC 2023 (Till/Aveek/Ira)
    - See timeline link above!
    - DONE - 21-28 August 2023 - GSoC contributors submit code - all OP projects were extended
    - TBD October 2023 - Mentors submit final GSoC contributor evaluations - delayed

  - See OP CUPS v2.4.7 release notes link from 09/20/23 (Zdenek Dohnal, RedHat)

  - See OP CUPS v3 beta2 release notes link from 10/05/23 (Mike)  

  - See CUPS Filters v1.28.17 release notes link from 01/24/23 (Till)

  - See CUPS Filters v2.0.0 final release notes link from 09/22/23 (Till)
    - Just missed cutoff for Ubuntu 23.10 fall release
    - Since Ubuntu 24.04 is LTS (Long-Term Suppport) release, will wait until Ubuntu 24.10

  - See PAPPL v1.4.0 release notes link from 09/28/23 (Mike)

  - See PDFio v1.0.1 release notes link from 03/21/22 (Mike)
    - Simple C library for reading and writing any version of PDF files

  - See LPrint v1.2.0 release notes link from 12/31/22 (Mike)

  - OP Steering Committee
    - OP monthly calls 09/19/23, 10/17/23, and upcoming 11/14/23

(9) PWG 3D PR Opportunities 2023 - update (Paul)
https://www.drupa.com/
https://www.concrete.org/ (ACI)

- Discussion
  - Drupa 2024 (Dusseldorf, Germany) on 28 May to 7 June 2024
    - Paul to meet with Drupa rep soon about Drupa 2024 
    
  - Can we get someone from Microsoft (Kris Iverson) to comment about their strategy? 
    - New PWG representative from Microsoft is Jimmy Wu.

  - ACI - Potential Safe G-Code speaking opportunity?
    - Action from 10/09/23 for Paul to check to see if we can get 10 minutes to speak to ACI 
      about Safe G-Code - IN PROGRESS

ACTION: 10/16/23 - Paul to reach out to Kris Iverson (Microsoft) about Drupa 2024
- OPEN

(10) Other Liaisons - status (Smith)
https://mopria.org/
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-will-block-3rd-party-printer-drivers-in-windows-update/
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- Discussion
  - Smith has posted a "Recent Significant Changes in PWG IPP" slide deck to enumerate all the 
    new /changed / Deprecated / obsolete attribute changes in IPP made in updated specs in the 
    last 2-3 years
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ACTION: 10/16/23 - Smith to reach out to Anthony Suarez (Mopria liaison) about Mopria/PWG State of the Union presentation - Smith was asked to speak, but no updates since then
- OPEN

(11) Next SC meetings

- SC - Monday 23 October 2023
  - Regular meeting
  - Ira will be absent (due to ISO TC204, Singapore)

- SC - Monday 30 October 2023
  - Review draft PWG November Plenary slides
  - Alan will be absent (due to CCUF workshop)
  - ICAM later that week

- SC - Monday 6 November 2023
  - Review final PWG November Plenary slides and agenda

- SC - Monday 13 November 2023
  - CANCELED due to PWG November F2F

- SC - Monday 20 November 2023
  - post-mortem on PWG November F2F

Previous Action Items

ACTION: Ira to document OID arc usage in PWG
- OPEN - pwg-mib-numbers-20091220.txt
- "arc" is any single value (often least-significant) in an OID - Existing plain text PWG policy and registry for each PWG MIB base OID - IBM gave PWG a permanent arc for LDAP OIDs for Print Schema (RFC 7612)
- LDAP OIDs to be documented in a additional policy and registry in ".../process/"
ACTION: Smith / Mike / Ira/ anybody to draft whitepaper on late binding for best fidelity in Cloud servers, intent vs. process for output fidelity, and the fundamental design ethos of the PWG's work
- OPEN
- Perhaps have as a topic for some future PWG F2F to enumerate core set of concepts with which to construct an outline for the document
- Smith to add discussion of this late binding for the future F2F Plenary
ACTION: 07/15/19 - Smith to look for alternate web hosting providers and / or discuss other solutions with Mike Sweet
- IN PROGRESS
ACTION: 09/09/19 - Smith / Ira to keep nudging forward IPP Everywhere™ plugfest
- OPEN
ACTION: 06/15/20 - Smith to create new "PWG Documents Style Policy" and add line numbering, change logs, and other style recommendations there, so that they don't get lost - also add text discussing templates as well
- IN PROGRESS
ACTION: 06/15/20 - Smith / Ira to add discussion of change logs in the new draft "PWG Documents Style Policy"
- OPEN
ACTION: 08/22/22 - Jeremy to reach out to Mike for review of PWG Website update for Security and Privacy at a future PWG SC Tiger Team meeting
- IN PROGRESS
ACTION: 10/31/22 - Paul to post 3D / IPP article next draft for review at an upcoming Tiger Team meeting
- IN PROGRESS
ACTION: 05/22/23 - Smith to pull in the videos and try to get copies to Till / Aveek, and also investigate video sizes and hosting choices if we choose to do this ourselves
- OPEN
ACTION: 05/22/23 - Alan / Mike to talk together offline about integrating IDS content / domain into the page content
- OPEN
ACTION: 09/18/23 - Mike to put together some summary slides on PWG website hosting options with recommendations
- OPEN
ACTION: 10/02/23 - All SC members to make lists of all our specs for Deprecated, Obsolete, Historic potential transitions and share the lists so we can review them in a future meeting
- OPEN
ACTION: 10/09/23 - Jeremy to send out call for PWG November 2023 Plenary slides content soon
- OPEN
ACTION: 10/09/23 - Alan to post ICAM 2023 presentation slides to PWG FTP site for further review
- CLOSED
ACTION: 10/09/23 - Paul to check to see if we can get 10 minutes to speak to ACI about Safe G-Code (PWG 5199.7-2019).
- IN PROGRESS
- Paul waiting for a response from ACI