PWG Steering Committee Minutes * 20 November 2023

Attendees

Smith Kennedy (HP Inc, PWG Vice Chair)
Jeremy Leber (Lexmark, PWG Chair)
Ira McDonald (High North, PWG Secretary, IPP WG Co-Chair)
Alan Sukert (Independent, IDS WG Chair)
Paul Tykodi (TCS, IPP WG Co-Chair)
Bill Wagner (TIC, former Cloud WG Chair, former WIMS WG Chair)

Preface

This meeting was announced and chaired by Jeremy Leber.

These minutes were prepared by Ira McDonald with draft minutes from Smith Kennedy.

Agenda

(0) Agenda bashing, IP Policy, minute taker

- Review agenda and state PWG IP Policy
  - Ira McDonald and Smith Kennedy as minute takers

- Revised Agenda:

  (1) Administrivia
  (2) Action Item Review
  (3) PWG Hosting Organization - defer (Mike/Jeremy/Smith/Ira)
  (4) PWG November 2023 F2F - status (All)
  (5) PWG February 2024 F2F - schedule (All)
  (6) IDS Short and Long Term Planning (Alan)
  (7) PWG May 2024 F2F - schedule (All)
  (8) IPP Everywhere Logo - required attribution statement? (Smith)
  (9) PWG Document Deprecate/Obsolete Transitions - defer (All)
  (10) PWG Communications Challenges - status (All)
  (11) PWG 3D / IPP article development - status (All)
  (12) OpenPrinting News/GSoC - update (Ira)
  (13) PWG 3D PR Opportunities 2023 - update (Paul)
  (14) Other Liaisons - status (Smith)
  (15) Next SC meetings

(1) Administrivia
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20231106.htm
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/minutes/pwg-plenary-minutes-20231115.htm

- IPR and Antitrust

- Roll Call

- Review minutes of SC meeting (6 November 2023)
  - Approved 

- Review minutes of PWG Plenary (15 November 2023)
  - Approved - Alan was missing from attendees - corrected and re-posted

(2) Action Item Review

ACTION: 11/06/23 - Jeremy to check with Mike (potentially switch IPP 3D and OAuth) in PWG
November Plenary slides
- CLOSED

ACTION: 11/06/23 - Smith to work on "Internet Printing Protocol" technology page for PWG website 
w/ use cases
- OPEN

ACTION: 11/06/23 - Paul to send update summary on ACI and ICAM to SC
- OPEN

(3) PWG Hosting Organization - defer (Mike/Jeremy/Smith/Ira)
https://www.icdsoft.com/
https://github.com/istopwg/website/wiki/2023-Communications-Infrastructure-Update
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- Discussion
  - Mike to continue researching Web hosting w/ ICDSoft and GitHub
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(4) PWG November F2F - post-mortem (All)
https://www.pwg.org/chair/meeting-info/november-2023-virtual.html

- Discussion
  - Plenary session had very good attendance but was 15 minutes over 
    - let's go back to an hour blocked out for the Plenary session going forward

  - IDS session was a bit tight for time
    - If 2 days long, bump schedule out to 3pm?

  - Michael Ziller (Microsoft) attended and contributed

  - Good dialog on device attestation and IPP
    - Cross pollinate to IDS

  - 3D session was a good dialog and good action items

(5) PWG February 2024 F2F - schedule? (All)
https://www.pwg.org/chair/meeting-info/meetings.html

- Discussion
  - Move to Tuesday to Thursday 13-15 February 2024?
    - To avoid ISO WG12 Vehicle Config Info draft conference (5-9 February 2024)

    - Consensus - no objections, so let's move the February F2F

    - Keep 3 days with the option to drop Tuesday to make it 14-15 February 2024

  - Move PWG May 2024 slightly?
    - Start on Monday 6 May 2024 per Zdenek's request 
      - Confirmed by email w/ Till and Zdenek

    - Hybrid F2F hosted by Lexmark (Lexington, KY)
      - Consensus - unanimous agreement from SC members

(6) IDS Short and Long Term Planning (Alan)

- Discussion
  - Alan is going to prepare people's taxes seasonally as a new job
    - Assume Alan is absent from mid January to late April

  - How will this impact IDS?
    - Alan can't commit to hosting IDS sessions until late April
      - Possibly another Common Criteria HCD iTC member could hold monthly IDS calls

    - What about the February 2024 F2F?
      - Alan may be able to put together some slides, but cannot present them
      - Still schedule 1.5 hour IDS session

    - What about the Common Criteria HCD iTC's HIT (HCD Interpretation Team)?
      - Gerry Colunga (HP Inc) will run the HIT team

(7) PWG May 2024 F2F - schedule (All)
https://www.pwg.org/chair/meeting-info/meetings.html

- Discussion
  - Updated dates are still up in the air
 
  - Original dates: Tuesday to Thursday 14-16 May 2024 
    - Bad for both Ira and several LFOP members

  - Later dates: Tuesday to Thursday 21-23 May 2024 
    - Starting to be bad for people who have kids (school starting to get out) 
    
    - Adjacent to US Memorial Day (27 May 2024) and Friday before (24 May 2024)

  - Earlier dates: Tuesday to Thursday 7-9 May 2024?
    - Works better for Ira
    
    - But not good for Zdenek (Czech holidays later in week)

    - So start on Monday 6 May 2024 per Zdenek's request
      - Ira confirmed by email w/ Zdenek and Till on 11/21/23

  - Hybrid F2F in Sunnyvale or Lexington?

    - Hybrid F2F hosted by Lexmark (Lexington, KY) on Monday to Wednesday 6-8 May 2024

    - Consensus - unanimous agreement from SC members

(8) IPP Everywhere Logo - required attribution statement? (Smith)

- Discussion
  - See Smith's note and Paul's reply on 11/15/23

  - Do we need an attribution statement? 

  - Why do people have an attribution statement anyway?
    - Conventional for Trademark usage, similar to Copyright acknowledgement

ACTION: 11/20/23 - Smith to update IPP Everywhere Logo Policy document to include the requirement for an attribution statement
- OPEN

(9) PWG Document Deprecate/Obsolete Transitions - defer (All)
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/process/pwg-document-management-policy.pdf
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- Discussion
  - Waiting for contributions to Document Management Policy
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(10) PWG Communications Challenges - status (All)
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- Discussion
  - Not covered
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(11) PWG 3D / IPP article development - status (All)
https://amcoe.org/event/icam2023/
https://amcoe.org/event/forum23/
https://iccconference.org/
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- Discussion
  - Not covered
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(12) OpenPrinting News/GSoC - update (Ira)
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/liaison/openprinting/minutes/OP-Minutes-20231017.htm
https://openprinting.github.io/OpenPrinting-News-October-2023/
https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups/releases/tag/v2.4.7
https://github.com/OpenPrinting/libcups/releases/v3.0b2
https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups-filters/releases/tag/1.28.17
https://github.com/michaelrsweet/pappl/releases/tag/v1.4.2
https://github.com/michaelrsweet/pdfio/releases/tag/v1.0.1
https://github.com/michaelrsweet/lprint/releases/tag/v1.2.0

- Discussion
  - See OP Monthly Steering Committee minutes link from 10/17/23 (Ira)

  - See OP Monthly news link from 11/03/23 (Till)

  - GSoC 2023 (Till/Aveek/Ira)
    - DONE - 21-28 August 2023 - GSoC contributors submit code - all OP projects were extended
    - DONE - 6 November 2023 - Mentors submit final GSoC contributor evaluations

  - GSoC 2024 (Till/Aveek/Ira)
    - See timeline link above!
    - 26 January to 6 February 2024 - Mentoring organizations submit applications to Google
    - 6 February to 20 February 2024 - Google program admins review organization applications
    - 21 February 2024 - List of accepted mentoring organizations published
    - 22 February to 18 March 2024 - Potential GSoC contributors discuss application ideas with 
      mentoring organizations
    - 2 April 2024 - GSoC contributor application deadline
    - 24 April 2024 - GSoC contributor proposal rankings due from Org Admins
    - 1 May 2024 - Accepted GSoC contributor projects announced
    - 1 May to 26 May 2024 - Community Bonding Period - GSoC contributors get to know mentors
    - 27 May 2024 - Coding officially begins!


  - See OP CUPS v2.4.7 release notes link from 09/20/23 (Zdenek Dohnal, RedHat)

  - See OP CUPS v3 beta2 release notes link from 10/05/23 (Mike)  

  - See CUPS Filters v1.28.17 release notes link from 01/24/23 (Till)

  - See CUPS Filters v2.0.0 final release notes link from 09/22/23 (Till)
    - Just missed cutoff for Ubuntu 23.10 fall release
    - Since Ubuntu 24.04 is LTS (Long-Term Suppport) release, will wait until Ubuntu 24.10

  - See PAPPL v1.4.2 release notes link from 10/16/23 (Mike)

  - See PDFio v1.0.1 release notes link from 03/21/22 (Mike)
    - Simple C library for reading and writing any version of PDF files

  - See LPrint v1.2.0 release notes link from 12/31/22 (Mike)

  - OP Steering Committee
    - OP monthly calls 10/17/23, 11/14/23, and upcoming 12/12/23

(13) PWG 3D PR Opportunities 2023 - update (Paul)
https://www.drupa.com/
https://www.concrete.org/ (ACI)
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- Discussion
  - Not covered
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(14) Other Liaisons - status (Smith)
https://mopria.org/
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- Discussion
  - Not covered
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(15) Next SC meetings

- SC - Monday 27 November 2023
  - PWG Officers election discussion
  - Ira may be absent (on the road)

- SC - Monday 4 December 2023
  - CANCEL due to Smith and Jeremy will be absent

- SC - Monday 11 December 2023
  - Regular meeting

- SC - Monday 18 December 2023
  - Regular meeting

- SC - Monday 25 December 2023
  - CANCEL due to Christmas holiday

- SC - Monday 1 January 2024
  - CANCEL due to New Year holiday

- SC - Monday 8 January 2024
  - Regular meeting

Previous Action Items

ACTION: Ira to document OID arc usage in PWG
- OPEN - pwg-mib-numbers-20091220.txt
- "arc" is any single value (often least-significant) in an OID - Existing plain text PWG policy and registry for each PWG MIB base OID - IBM gave PWG a permanent arc for LDAP OIDs for Print Schema (RFC 7612)
- LDAP OIDs to be documented in a additional policy and registry in ".../process/"
ACTION: Smith / Mike / Ira/ anybody to draft whitepaper on late binding for best fidelity in Cloud servers, intent vs. process for output fidelity, and the fundamental design ethos of the PWG's work
- OPEN
- Perhaps have as a topic for some future PWG F2F to enumerate core set of concepts with which to construct an outline for the document
- Smith to add discussion of this late binding for the future F2F Plenary
ACTION: 07/15/19 - Smith to look for alternate web hosting providers and / or discuss other solutions with Mike Sweet
- IN PROGRESS
ACTION: 09/09/19 - Smith / Ira to keep nudging forward IPP Everywhere™ plugfest
- OPEN
ACTION: 06/15/20 - Smith to create new "PWG Documents Style Policy" and add line numbering, change logs, and other style recommendations there, so that they don't get lost - also add text discussing templates as well
- IN PROGRESS
ACTION: 06/15/20 - Smith / Ira to add discussion of change logs in the new draft "PWG Documents Style Policy"
- OPEN
ACTION: 08/22/22 - Jeremy to reach out to Mike for review of PWG Website update for Security and Privacy at a future PWG SC Tiger Team meeting
- IN PROGRESS
ACTION: 10/31/22 - Paul to post 3D / IPP article next draft for review at an upcoming Tiger Team meeting
- IN PROGRESS
ACTION: 05/22/23 - Smith to pull in the videos and try to get copies to Till / Aveek, and also investigate video sizes and hosting choices if we choose to do this ourselves
- OPEN
ACTION: 05/22/23 - Alan / Mike to talk together offline about integrating IDS content / domain into the page content
- OPEN
ACTION: 09/18/23 - Mike to put together some summary slides on PWG website hosting options with recommendations
- OPEN
ACTION: 10/02/23 - All SC members to make lists of all our specs for Deprecated, Obsolete, Historic potential transitions and share the lists so we can review them in a future meeting
- OPEN
ACTION: 10/09/23 - Jeremy to send out call for PWG November 2023 Plenary slides content soon
- OPEN
ACTION: 10/16/23 - Paul to reach out to Kris Iverson (Microsoft) about Drupa 2024
- OPEN
- Paul to email Kris Iverson ASAP
ACTION: 11/06/23 - Jeremy to check with Mike (potentially switch IPP 3D and OAuth) in PWG November Plenary slides
- CLOSED
ACTION: 11/06/23 - Smith to work on "Internet Printing Protocol" technology page for PWG website w/ use cases
- OPEN
ACTION: 11/06/23 - Paul to send update summary on ACI and ICAM to SC
- OPEN