IPP WG Minutes - Irvine PWG F2F - 4 December 2008
Minutes prepared by Ira McDonald - with much help from Lee Farrell
Attendees
Shah Bhatti (Samsung, IPP WG Co-Chair)
Nancy Chen (Okidata)
Lee Farrell (Canon)
Grant Gilmore (360 Software)
Ira McDonald (High North)
Glen Petrie (Epson) - phone
Amir Shahindoust (Toshiba)
Dinesh Srirangpatna (Samsung)
Michael Sweet (Apple/CUPS) - phone
Jerry Thrasher (Lexmark)
Paul Tykodi (TCS, IPP WG Co-Chair) - phone
Bill Wagner (TIC)
Dave Whitehead (Lexmark)
Pete Zehler (Xerox) - phone
Agenda
- Introductions and Housekeeping
- IPP/2.0 Review and Discussion
- IPP PSX and IPP Production Printing Set2
- Action Items and Next Steps
Introductions and Housekeeping
- Reminder that meeting is under rules of PWG IP Policy - no objections
- Introductions of attendees in room and on phone
- Minute Taker - Ira McDonald with much help from Lee Farrell
IPP Printer State Reasons Extensions (PSX)
- Current Status - Editorial content complete - see discussions below
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippstate10-20061107.pdf
- Prototypes (Ira) - status unknown
- Implementation (Mike Sweet) - CUPS/1.3.0 (released on 13 August 2007)
supports all IPP PSX attributes and values through all CUPS backends
to actual printers (not just Printer MIB) - see Mike's subsequent note
on IPP WG mailing list
- Proposal (Ira) - Add IPP PSX to IPP/2.0 spec - no objections
- Proposal (Mike) - Add IPP PSX as REQUIRED in *both* IPP/2.0 and IPP/2.1
- numerous objections and lively discussion
- Objection (Jerry) - IPP/2.0 should not require IPP PSX (because it adds
new attributes)
- Suggestion (Mike) - IPP PSX attributes could be implemented but empty -
numerous objections
- Proposal (Ira) - IPP PSX should be REQUIRED for IPP/2.1 (because it adds
most value to Enterprise Printing and may not be as useful for IPP/2.2
Production Printing with dedicated operators co-located)
- Meeting Consensus (Jerry) - Discuss IPP PSX requirement levels for
IPP/2.0 spec at IPP WG teleconferences and on mailing list
- Proposal (Ira) - Update IPP PSX working draft (7 November 2006) - start
IPP WG last call in January - start PWG Last Call in February to span
next PWG F2F (16-18 February 2009) - no objections
- ACTION
Ira McDonald - Update IPP PSX spec - add Printer MIB and CIM Printer
classes coherence/interworking rationale and current PWG boilerplate
- Target January 2009
IPP/2.0 Review and Discussion
- Current Status (Shah) - Editorial content complete - see IPP PSX above
and discussions below
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/ippv2-wd/wd-ipp20-20081118.pdf
- Prototypes (Ira) - Multiple prototypes (or shipping implementations) of
IPP/2.0 (Workgroup Printing) and IPP/2.1 (Enterprise Printing)
- Prototypes (Ira) - Unknown status for IPP/2.2 (Production Printing)
- ACTION
Paul Tykodi and Pete Zehler - Forward IPP/2.2 list of operations and
attributes to Production Printing domain experts for detailed feedback
and to determine if implementations already exist - Target February 2009
- Proposal (Shah) - Update IPP/2.0 spec to remove IPP/2.2 content and
start IPP WG last call in January - start PWG Last Call in February to
span next PWG F2F (16-18 February 2009) - no objections
- Proposal (Ira) - Hold IPP/2.2 content for completion of IPP Production
Printing Set2 - no objections
- Proposal (Jerry) - Revise IPP/2.0 CS first edition in the future to
include IPP/2.2 conformance level in second edition - no objections
- ACTION
Ira McDonald and Mike Sweet - Update IPP/2.0 spec to remove IPP/2.2 and
content (for now), add IPP PSX, add references to JDF/1.5 and JDF/IDP
Conformance Profile, add JDF coherence/interworking rationale - Target
February 2009 PWG Last Call
- Discussion (All) - Level of interest from printer vendors - Is IPP/2.0
viewed as a market advantage or a benefit to future sales?
IPP Production Printing Set2 (PP Set2)
- Current Status (Ira and Pete) - Incomplete (4 issues) working draft of
IPP Production Printing Set2 (21 August 2002)
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/new_PPE/
pwg-ipp-prod-print-set2-draft-v0_92-020821.pdf
- Discussion (All) - Important content for IPP/2.2 - higher fidelity
gateways with JDF (for example)
- ACTION
Pete Zehler and Ira McDonald - Complete working draft of IPP Production
Printing Set2 spec - Target April 2009 PWG Last Call
Other Topics
- Required Document Formats (Mike and Paul) - Should we required at least
one of a small set of document formats? - no support expressed by others
- Glen Petrie expressed concerns about impact on embedded systems (for
IPP/2.0 conformance level)
- IPP Implementors Guide (Paul) - Should we update IETF RFC 2639
(Informational)
to mention IPP/2.0 and PWG IPP extensions? - Mike and Paul offered to
help with such an effort
Action Items
- Ira McDonald - Update IPP PSX spec - add Printer MIB and CIM Printer
classes coherence/interworking rationale and current PWG boilerplate
- Target January 2009
- Paul Tykodi and Pete Zehler - Forward IPP/2.2 list of operations and
attributes to Production Printing domain experts for detailed feedback
and to determine if implementations already exist - Target February 2009
- Ira McDonald and Mike Sweet - Update IPP/2.0 spec to remove IPP/2.2 and
content (for now), add IPP PSX, add references to JDF/1.5 and JDF/IDP
Conformance Profile, add JDF coherence/interworking rationale - Target
February 2009 PWG Last Call
- Pete Zehler and Ira McDonald - Complete working draft of IPP Production
Printing Set2 spec - Target April 2009 PWG Last Call
Next IPP WG Meetings
- Monday 15 December 2008 4pm EST
- Monday 12 January 2008 4pm EST